Lord Valentai
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 Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:14AM |
I thought I would post this in case somebody had a further insight into the game.
References are made to a 'Sith Empire'; I have been wondering where this is and how large it is. Using the galaxy map from nav-map.com(or something) I have assumed it is centred on Korriban.
The only clues we have is that the Sith had an Empire before the Mandalorian Wars as it was they that provoked the clans to attack according to Canderous.
Looking at this map, one can see what the general shape could be; Dantooine and Telos is near, clearly how they were attacked. Kashyyyk is close to this. Manaan would also be relatively close which would explain the presence of Sith there.
In order to be a danger in the war; the Sith have to have an Empire of reasonable size, perhaps as far as Yavin and the Hutt worlds.
Any opinions on this as it would be an interesting topic?
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Revan_Pearson
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:49AM |
I'd also say that they have to have a big empire. But I don't get why they didn't just ALLY with the Mandalorians and then go crush the Republic TOGETHER...hmm...
Maybe Revan's leadership added to their intrest to challenge the Republic. I suppose they didn't have a very strong military before Mr. Revan came by.
And, one more thing...Who was the dark Lord before Revan? Just osme evil guy? Or did they have an Emperor? Who knows...
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Lord Valentai
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From: Plataea, August 479BC |
Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:50AM |
I have wondered this also; there should have been a darklord before Revan. Good point
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Grand Edgemaster
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 02:01AM |
Here's some backstory to the Sith Empire and how it started out.
The Sith Empire was first created some 25,000 years before Episode 4: A New Hope. Certain Jedi turned to the dark side, and when defeated after a century of fighting, they fled to the civilized galaxy and conquered a primitive species-the Sith. They made themselves the Lords of the Sith, and named the greatest among them the Dark Lord.
Some 20,000 years after the establishment of the Sith Empire, a Sith Lord called Naga Sadow reestablished contact with the forgotten Republic. Naga Sadow, like other Sith Lords, used dark arts to keep his body alive for centuries.
The death of Dark Lord Marka Ragnos set off a power struggle in the Sith Empire. Sadow schemed to become the next Dark Lord by discrediting his rival Ludo Kressh, and the arrival of Republic explorers Jori and Gav Daragon provided the needed catalyst. Sadow fanned imaginary fears of an invading Republic war fleet. Fearing for the Empire's survival, the other Sith Lords named him their new Dark Lord.
Sadow prepared a vast Sith armada to conquer the unsuspecting Republic. The Sith Empire was smaller than the Republic, but far wealthier and in possession of bizarre technology. Naga Sadow sat in his meditation sphere,generating illusions that made his military appear ten times as large.
Gav Daragon led the Republic fleet to the Dark Lord's hiding spot. Sadow fled for his life, back to the Sith Empire. The armies he abandoned crumbled in a Jedi assault.
When Sadow arrived back among the Sith worlds, he found his rival, Ludo Kressh, waiting to crush him. Sadow sacrificed hundreds of Sith warships to cover his escape. Flying between the unstable binary star known as the Denarii Nova, Sadow triggered a stellar flare that vaporized his final Republic persuer, then limped to an obscure jungle moon called Yavin4. There he entombed his flagship and placed himself in suspended animation. Sadow's Massassi guards populated the jungles and built towering temples of stone.
Six hundred years later, a Jedi Knight named Freedon Nadd came to Yavin 4 and reawakened Naga Sadow. After teaching Nadd the secrets of the Sith, Sadow is believed to have died at his student's hands.
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Lord Valentai
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From: Plataea, August 479BC |
Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 02:15AM |
Aye; I know this and the history of the First Sith War. I am more concerned about the KOTOR Sith Empire
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Imperial_Inquisitor
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:20PM |
So Lord Sadow used to be a subordinate of Lord Ragnos? I never knew that, I thought otherwise. Didn't Master Uthar say that Sadow was the greatest of the Korriban Sith Masters (and that included Ragnos)?
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Randomir
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:34PM |
Quote: Posted 05/12/04 02:01:42 (GMT) by Grand Edgemaster
Six hundred years later, a Jedi Knight named Freedon Nadd came to Yavin 4 and reawakened Naga Sadow. After teaching Nadd the secrets of the Sith, Sadow is believed to have died at his student's hands.
Actually, Sadow's lifeforce endured for the next four millennia until the time of the Galactic Civil War. When Luke Skywalker founded the Jedi praxeum on Yavin 4, Sadow turned one of his students, Gantoris, to the Dark Side. Gantoris later died (can't remember how, I haven't read those books in years, though I think it was Naga Sadow who did it). Sadow then turned Kyp Durron, who captured an Imperial superweapon called the Sun Crusher and destroyed a few star systems before being turned back to the light.
After that, Luke and the new Jedi Knights managed to vanquish Naga Sadow's spirit and free Yavin 4 of his taint. I just can't remember how that went down either.  |
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:51PM |
Good info, Edgemaster. The Great Hyperspace war that occurred when the Sith Empire came to contact with the Republic happened about 5000 BBY, about 1000 years before the events in the game. That was the Sith Empire referred to.
Randomir, it was Exar Kun that threatened Jedi Praxeum. Kun destroyed Freedon Nadd's spirit with a sith amulet, but was later on forced to turn himself into a spirit as well to escape when the Jedi found Yavin 4.
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 03:57PM |
Marka Ragnos was a non expansionist Sith Lord, Naga Sadow was the oen who ralled the Sith the fight the republic, he failed miserabley for the Sith in the end. I pass off Master Uthar's statment about Sadow as bieng his personal opinion which i diagree with. Ragnos actually encourgeed the Sith Lords to fight him (so i read somewhere) instead of expanding into republic space which he knew would casue their downfall, the fact that he died in his bed (i think) is impressive. Both Marka RAgnos and Naga Sadow were good Dark Lords of the Sith, but i'd say Ragnos is more powerful. THe KOTOR Sith appear to have no use of patience at all! They probably would have branded RAgnos a coward for his isolationism, comapred ot their Sith codes, but the fact is he was strongest Sith Lordaroudn during his life
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Grand Edgemaster
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:01PM |
Quote: Posted 05/12/04 12:34:17 (GMT) by Randomir Quote: Posted 05/12/04 02:01:42 (GMT) by Grand Edgemaster
Six hundred years later, a Jedi Knight named Freedon Nadd came to Yavin 4 and reawakened Naga Sadow. After teaching Nadd the secrets of the Sith, Sadow is believed to have died at his student's hands.
Actually, Sadow's lifeforce endured for the next four millennia until the time of the Galactic Civil War. When Luke Skywalker founded the Jedi praxeum on Yavin 4, Sadow turned one of his students, Gantoris, to the Dark Side. Gantoris later died (can't remember how, I haven't read those books in years, though I think it was Naga Sadow who did it). Sadow then turned Kyp Durron, who captured an Imperial superweapon called the Sun Crusher and destroyed a few star systems before being turned back to the light. After that, Luke and the new Jedi Knights managed to vanquish Naga Sadow's spirit and free Yavin 4 of his taint. I just can't remember how that went down either.
But, it wasn't Naga Sadow who did those things to Luke and his students. You're thinking of Exar Kun. |
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Randomir
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:11PM |
Doh! Sorry. 
Told you it's been a long time. |
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hate is natural
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:46PM |
Quote: Posted 05/12/04 16:01:20 (GMT) by Grand Edgemaster Quote: Posted 05/12/04 12:34:17 (GMT) by Randomir Quote: Posted 05/12/04 02:01:42 (GMT) by Grand Edgemaster
Six hundred years later, a Jedi Knight named Freedon Nadd came to Yavin 4 and reawakened Naga Sadow. After teaching Nadd the secrets of the Sith, Sadow is believed to have died at his student's hands.
Actually, Sadow's lifeforce endured for the next four millennia until the time of the Galactic Civil War. When Luke Skywalker founded the Jedi praxeum on Yavin 4, Sadow turned one of his students, Gantoris, to the Dark Side. Gantoris later died (can't remember how, I haven't read those books in years, though I think it was Naga Sadow who did it). Sadow then turned Kyp Durron, who captured an Imperial superweapon called the Sun Crusher and destroyed a few star systems before being turned back to the light. After that, Luke and the new Jedi Knights managed to vanquish Naga Sadow's spirit and free Yavin 4 of his taint. I just can't remember how that went down either.
But, it wasn't Naga Sadow who did those things to Luke and his students. You're thinking of Exar Kun.
No your you are thinking Exar Kun he is the on that did those nasty things to luke and his students. Randomir is right about Naga Sadow Edited By hate is natural on 05/12/04 20:49 |
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JohnnyCache
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Posted: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:53PM |
Didn't Luke also get into a kind of coma state after one of his students was possessed? Strangely enough, only his sister's twins knew that he was really a disembodied spirit. You'd think that Leia, being Luke's sister, could see her brother's disembodied spirit. Stupid plot holes..  |
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Randomir
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Posted: Thursday, 13 May 2004 01:29AM |
Quote: Posted 05/12/04 20:46:46 (GMT) by hate is natural Quote: Posted 05/12/04 16:01:20 (GMT) by Grand Edgemaster Quote: Posted 05/12/04 12:34:17 (GMT) by Randomir Quote: Posted 05/12/04 02:01:42 (GMT) by Grand Edgemaster
Six hundred years later, a Jedi Knight named Freedon Nadd came to Yavin 4 and reawakened Naga Sadow. After teaching Nadd the secrets of the Sith, Sadow is believed to have died at his student's hands.
Actually, Sadow's lifeforce endured for the next four millennia until the time of the Galactic Civil War. When Luke Skywalker founded the Jedi praxeum on Yavin 4, Sadow turned one of his students, Gantoris, to the Dark Side. Gantoris later died (can't remember how, I haven't read those books in years, though I think it was Naga Sadow who did it). Sadow then turned Kyp Durron, who captured an Imperial superweapon called the Sun Crusher and destroyed a few star systems before being turned back to the light. After that, Luke and the new Jedi Knights managed to vanquish Naga Sadow's spirit and free Yavin 4 of his taint. I just can't remember how that went down either.
But, it wasn't Naga Sadow who did those things to Luke and his students. You're thinking of Exar Kun.
No your you are thinking Exar Kun he is the on that did those nasty things to luke and his students. Randomir is right about Naga Sadow
No, Edgemaster's correct, I was thinking of Kun. I'm not sure why I thought that was Sadow... |
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hate is natural
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Posted: Thursday, 13 May 2004 03:34AM |
really i will have to check that. I thought you were right.  Edited By hate is natural on 05/13/04 03:35 |
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